Thursday, February 1, 2007

From the postbag: Doubles

Of course, Splittter is the only one writing to me at the moment, which makes me feel a bit like Willie Thorne in the Fantasy Football League sketches. Anyway, here is his wisdom:

Your post on doubles has been bugging me since I read it basically because the accepted gambling wisdom is simply "don't do doubles", full stop, no exceptions... yet your maths looked correct.

I had a sneaking suspicion that it had to do with your bet size relative to your bankroll, and that hidden in the double is the fact that you're essentially sticking an amount larger than your actual stake on the 'second' outcome.

So, to test that theory I imagined the following:

There are two bets for which you'll get 3.00: event 1 you reckon will come in 37%, event 2 35%, both clear value bets.


He goes on to analyse the situation in excruciating detail. As I refuse to be out-mathsed by anyone, let alone Splittter, I'll do the same but more clearly - and reach a slightly different conclusion. His experiment suggests Kelly staking.

With Kelly staking, you would place a fraction k = p - (1-p)/(o-1) of your bankroll on each bet. Your expected return is p(kB(o-1)) - (1-p)(kB) = Bk(po-1)

Betting singles, your Kelly stake on the first game is 5.5% of bankroll; on the second, 2.5%. The outcomes are as follows:

Win-win: (12.95%) +16.50%
Win-lose: (24.05%) + 8.23%
Lose-win: (22.05%) - 0.78%
Lose-lose: (40.95%) - 7.86%

The weighted average of these - trust me - is 0.73%.

By contrast, if you bet the double, your Kelly stake is 2.07% of bankroll, and your outcomes are:

Win-win: (12.95%) +16.5%
Any other: (87.05%) - 2.1%

So, on average, you come out 0.34% ahead. So far, so good for the singles. However, let's examine the bets in terms of risk vs. reward:

Expected risk for two singles: 6.99%
Expected return: 0.73%
Value for singles: 10.44%

Risk for double: 2.07%
Expected return: 0.34%
Value for double: 16.42%

You might argue that we're not comparing apples for apples - that if we're betting singles, we're forced to make the second bet even if the first fails. However, if we don't make the second bet, we do even worse - as you'd expect, failing to make a value bet lowers your expected return (in this case, to 0.66%). The risk in that case is fixed at 5.5%, making the value 12.00% even.

How about the order of the bets? In fact, it doesn't make a difference to the expected return. It does make a difference to your expected risk, though, which drops to 6.26%. That makes the value 11.66% - still lower than the double. Without the second bet if the first loses, the expected return falls to 0.34%, with a risk of 2.5%, making the value 13.59%.

My correspondent challenges me to prove things in general. I scoff, mainly because I ought to do some work. I may leave that for a later post.

All of which seems to show that a double on two value bets gives better value than two singles. The singles give a higher expected value, but at the cost of an increase in risk which reduces the value below the double's.

1 comment:

splittter said...

yo ... not a maths fight, just a genuine puzzlement, as (as i said) your recommendation of the double/triple/whatever flies in the face of accepted gambling wisdom ... obviously that doesn't mean they must be correct, but did mean i was intrigued

anyway, the point i was trying to make was not about value ... the double clearly offers more (that did blow my mind, but i accept it :)) ... but that, it seemed, over time the singles staker would grow his bankroll by more (which has to be good, yes?) ... and also that the double is actually a hidden bit of poor bankroll maangement ... as the amount you'lll be effectively wacking on the second outcome is (usually) too much in relation to your bankroll

dunno if those two considerations are important or not